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Sun May 11, 2008 5:05 pm Last edited May 11, 2008, 05:47 pm Update #1

I was just curious as I will most likely try and complete my med endorsement by the end of next year (after I graduate and then get my registration etc etc).

What is the course like? What sort of things can I expect? What was the entry test like?

Did you/are you enjoying it? Are you finding it worthwhile?

I think I have posted something similar here before but I cant find it.

Thanks for any info you can give me :-)

modified: Thursday 15 May 2008 8:39:15 pm - keeshy

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May 23, 2008, 12:03 am

Not sure if it's the same in Vic, but in QLD the medication endorsement is 12mths long. Considering the entire course is 18mths, anyone considering doing the Dip. of Nursing (pre-enrolment) would automatically be doing their medical endorsement here in QLD. It opens up more doors to employment as some hospitals will only employ staff that are endorsed.

The endorsement part of our Diploma here consists of oral/suspension and IV medication. The only limit to what you can do after your endorsement is dependant on the policies and procedures of the institution you attend. So if you are in a hospital/facility that lets you do it, the QNC says you can :)

One of the compentencies I am looking forward to is canulation. I am going to go as far as I can as an EEN until such point that i need to do my RN's. At this stage, I just want to get into the thick of it and earn some money whilst I do it, so more heavy study is something I am not looking forward to at this time. Then again, 6mths from now I might be yearning for it again lol

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May 23, 2008, 09:35 am

Yeah if you have a look at the other discussion, in Vic the div 2 course will only start including medication administration from next year - so Keeshy has to do a separate course. And I might be wrong here but I don't think Vic div 2s can administer anything IV here even after they are med endorsed - I thought they could only do oral, s/c and IM injections.... but i might be wrong.

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May 24, 2008, 09:53 am

Well for what I am aware of we will only be able to give oral, supps, s/c and intramuscular typemeds. I dont think cannulation is in our scope. Possibly giving meds through the IV but not actually inserting the IV if that makes sense. But at the same time I dont know enough about it cos the info out there is good, but not great.

Our meds course is only around 3-6 months depending on where you go. I think there are extra modules you can add on though for catheterisation and those sorts of things. I really would like to give everything a go and if I really like it then I know it will be 100% worth doing my Div 1. And tbh a large reason behind me not wanting to do my Div 1...fear! Plain old fear. Yes I have coped well with Div 2 but thats a shorter course, only 2 days a week and while there is alot of info...at least its all spread out over the 18 months and not as hectic as a uni schedule.

Maybe I am being silly I dont know but I am terrified of going on to do it and I think this is the only thing really stopping me. I do look forward to nursing as a Div 2 though and cant wait to get my hands dirty so to speak!

Thanks for the help girls :-)

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May 26, 2008, 01:26 pm Last edited May 26, 2008, 01:26 pm update #1

Actually Keeshy I think it's the other way round, you can learn to cannulate (if your facility gives you the option) but can't give IV meds under current Victorian legislation. However this may change in the future http://www.nbv.org.au/news.aspx?ID=1812

This brings up an interesting question, supposedly an med endorsed div 2 from Vic can go to NSW and work as an EEN yet the Vic nurse is not trained in IV administration of drugs/fluids as the Vic legislation doesn't allow it. But when the nurse gets to NSW the EEN qualification allows for IV administration (??). And the same the other way round, a NSW EEN can't give S8 drugs yet as far as I know a Div 2 (med) can - although either way both these senarios should be being double checked by a div 1/RN and the individual nurse could speak up if he/she is unsure but I think it does highlight some differences in the education between states.

modified: Monday 26 May 2008 1:32:39 pm - lokisare

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May 26, 2008, 09:05 pm

I dont think the Div 2/EN converts interstate anyway so I dont think it would matter. I have been told my Div 2 is only able to be used in this state, at this point in time.

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Jun 21, 2008, 10:19 am

Hi to fellow EN/EEN,

I stumbled across this site yesterday and am new at this. I am a hopital trained nurse from a bygone era, I trained last century!! I'm not as old as Florence but at times my brain feels like it is!! I have experienced many of the changes that have occured during my 32 years as an EN. I have had the good luck of working with many good people, organizations and various fields of nursing, but I have also been at the recieving end of many experiences which should have ended my nursing career. When I trained I started in the SRN (student registered nurse) course. After 6 months I decided to change and do the EN course "I didn't want to be a sister I wanted to be a NURSE..

I don't have many regrets in life but that decision was the biggest mistake I ever made. Little did I know that in the ensuing years following graduation I would be reminded may times "YOU ARE JUST AN ENROLLED NURSE". I WAS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS THE SORT OF NURSE WHO DID NOT HAVE THE BRAINS TO BE A REGISTERD NURSE. Anyway it's now a new century and whether its a good or bad thing but I brought with me to this wonderful era of bigger faster better technology the skills I learned in my hospital trained days.

I became endorsed last year through TAFE and guess what? That $1200 course only returned to me what was originally part of the scope of practice back in the good old days, however I am still classed as a "new ennrolled nurse"..Next week I will be 52 and I always said when I grow up I want to be a real nurse, and will start the degree nest year. BUT I have been a real nurse all these years, just did not believe in myself. If anyone is interested I would love to hear from you.

Franky

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Jul 26, 2008, 02:24 pm

Loved your story franky. I'm 45 & after a career change have ALMOST finished my EN (med) training. I'm currently doing a research piece on EN Scope of Practice in its many & ever changing forms & am browsing this website for personal stories to include.

I too have got the message (from a few) that I'm a waste of space & not really a nurse. And I believed them for a while. I now choose only to work in hospitals/wards that value my ( & ALL of their healthcare staff's) contribution - and am having a ball. These workplaces are out there, don't settle for anything less.

PS Whilst the worth of my actual existence as an EN has been questioned, its NEVER been questioned by my patients. And they're the only ones that count.

Cheers babe

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Jul 26, 2008, 08:05 pm

Hi Franky,
I also enjoyed your story. I've just posted a long winded question re EEN's which you've sort of answered for me (had I have scrolled further down the page to see) I too trained as an EN back in the 80's. I must admit I enjoyed my nursing days (haven't worked in a hosp since '87) but like you always felt like I was being put in my place. Over the years I've thought about going back to do my training, but I think at 45 (and only ever wanting pt work) I'd be happy to have a little more knowledge and responsibility and just work as an EEN, looking after patients which is what I loved. My husband is a clinical nurse in a CCU and has been asked to move to the NUM position for 10yrs but feels the same as me, loves the patients so thats where he stays. I think it's fabulous that your going on to do the degree, I totally understand why your doing it but don't let anyone tell you your not already a real nurse!
cheers
Bella

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