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Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:01 pm

I am in my mid 30s and completed an Applied Science Degree back in 1994 and have since been working as an Environmental Scientist since then.

I have always wanted to do nursing and was wondering if anyone could provide advice on a few things:

1)The best course or study program that would allow me to be a qualified nurse?

2) Would my 1994 Degree get any recognition if I was to apply for a Degree in Nursing?

2) I am still working as a Environmental Scientist and will have to do so while studying, I don't want to be studying for years, so would doing a Degree part time be better than a Cert Iv?

Any advice or information would be greatly appreciated.

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Jan 21, 2010, 11:24 pm

hi there

I am doing the same thing.

I am 34, never done anything toward nursing before. Only Cert IV in Business in 2004.

I am about to enrol into Northam tafe (CY Oconnor tafe) they are the only ones in WA to do the Cert IV in preparation for entry into Enrolled Nursing.

I dont have to do that stupid stat test either.

it takes 6 months by correspondence and i will then have direct entry into the diploma of nursing.

its taken me nearly 2 months to find all this out, considering over xmas etc everyone has been closed.

The entry course will be great by correspondence so i can keep working. once the diploma starts, i have no indea how i am going to get a job 2 days per bloody week.

anyway, good luck, but i am enrolling 15th feb, its a full day up there , 1 hour drive will be relaxing. I took a part time job 4 days per week so i could do this enrolment and take the 1 working day off if i need to go there and do other things with the couse.

good luck

to both of us! ............

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Jan 23, 2010, 10:58 am

Thanks so much for your reply, good luck with your studies. You sound very excited as I would be.

As you said, trying to find answers to what courses will suit our situation takes ages.

I'm glad there are others in the same boat.

I'm located in Melbourne so I'm still searching for answers as to what would be the best path to take for nursing.

Good luck, and keep me posted on your progress.

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Jan 24, 2010, 03:43 am

Hi, since ur obviously a 'science' person, I'd suggest u just apply for the graduate entry bachelor of nursing. I'm not sure exactly which uni's offer it, but I know Latrobe uni at Bundoora certainly used to. Basically if u already have a degree (doesn't have to b related to nursing by the way), then u can get into a 2yr graduate entry degree course in nursing. I think u have to do some kind of a summer school perhaps to ensure u are up to scratch with certain science based subjects- but I imagine you'll have no trouble at all given ur science background. I'm just about to start a cert iv in health (div 2 nursing) @RMIT, it'll take me a year full time 4 days a week. Once I finish I'll apply for a 'conversion'course which will hopefully get me into a 2yr degree. So in the end it'll take me approx 3 yrs of study to be a div 1 nurse. It's been my choice to do it this way for various personal reasons rather than just go straight into the 3 yr degree. This way suits me much better. However for you I would really suggest just jumping straight into a 2yr graduate entry degree course- it'll save u a whole year of studying & I think would b ur best & most time efficient option. Perhaps start off by giving a couple of uni's a call, or look up the VTAC website & find out which uni's offer the graduate entry course. Hope this helps!

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Jan 24, 2010, 04:24 pm

Thanks Jules74,

Your advice is a great help! I will make some calls to see whats on offer. I'm really excited, I might actually be getting closer to my dream. See, I got into nursing and environmental science back in the early 90s and of course family can influence career choices, so I studied Environmental Science. Back then the "Environment" was the way of the future, and yes they were right. But year after year I knew that I was more suited to helping people. I tried to focus on helping the environment in various corporate positions but realised that you are mainly helping your employer get out of trouble. Too many political agendas and egos for me. So after various events and awakenings in my life and of course age, I know its time to make this happen. People who know me get really excited when I tell them that I want to be a nurse and people who don't know me think that I already am. This gives me the confidence to take these steps.

I hope I didn't sound too "sciencie" because most people say I'm far from it. Its probably the many years of writing reports that influence the way I write. I know my husband always teases me about it, because he is a writer and takes an interest in the many styles of writing out there.

Doing the second year entry sounds great, I just hope they can offer this part time because I'll still have to work three days a week to keep food on the table. Also its been awhile since I've done study so I hope I go ok.

Anyhow, thanks again and good luck with your studies, I know I would be very excited in your shoes knowing I am just about to start my new adventure.

Take Care.

RELHY

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Jan 24, 2010, 06:51 pm

hi, just wanted to mention...you didnt sound to 'sciencey'! : ) i just mean your someone with a science background who will find the nursing course probably quite easy given that background...as opposed to me who is A+ at everything humanities based ie engligh, literature, history etc..but not so flash with the sciences..i have to work at them!

glad i could help! dont give up on your dream...im 35 and finally going back to nursing after dropping out of a nursing degree in 1998! its taken a while but im finally here again and very excited about it too!

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Jan 25, 2010, 07:21 am

Hi relhy, Jules has basically covered the topic, I just want to add that generally most Unis would accept your science degree. But because its over 10 years "old", they generally require you to also show .proof that you have been working in the industry in which you qualified in.

Good on you for choosing to go into nursing. Wishing you all the best

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Jan 25, 2010, 10:02 pm

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for the helpful advice and information. I just thought I'd let you know where I'm up to with my inquiries. I received a reply from Australian Catholic University in Mlebourne regarding recognition of prior learning for entry into a Nursing Degree. They said that they would have to review my academic transcript with the individual units of study in order to work out whether I would get any recognition. I will contact the course co-ordinator tomorrow and see how I go.

At this stage I'm leaning towards doing a Degree from first year entry because I know that my years away from study would make it very hard for me to go straight into a second year degree, it might be a bit of a shock to the system, and I definately need refreshers especially in my Human Biology subjects.

Who knows, with the more information I'm getting this could change again.

Again thanks for all the info and please if you have any other ideas or suggestions please let me know.

Kindest thanks to everyone.

RELHY

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Feb 24, 2010, 09:38 am

Hi Everyone,

Still trying to figure out the best path for me to follow to get into nursing. I would love for anyone to let me know what they think, as this would be very helpful. Honestly, I'm confused as to what would be best, Certificate IV part time or straight into a Degree part time, if offered. As you know I did my Science Degree back in 1994 and am working part time as a Environmental Scientist. I need to still be working at this job three days a week to support my family. And of course as I'm at that age (37), I already have a 2 1/2 year old and would love a another little one, hopefully this year. I'm so excited about finally doing something about my dream, I really don't know what is on offer for my circumstances. Ideally I would love to do a nursing Degree and thought that my previous Degree would help, but upon my research into what I could do, I found that Degree courses can only be completed part time for the first year. If anyone knows different please let me know. So maybe a Certificate IV would be the best way. Can you switch to a Degree while you are doing a Certificate qualification? And I think I really want to be in Aged Care. I'm in Victoria and have had a quick look at ACU, RMIT, Latrobe. I am also interested in getting feedback on what people thought of the study offered at each of these institutions. I love this forum, it is so great to see so many helpful, caring people.

Thanks, I look forward to all your thoughts, ideas and suggestions.

Take Care

RELHY

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Feb 24, 2010, 11:43 pm Last edited Feb 24, 2010, 11:43 pm update #1

hi again, weighing up how long things will take is the dilemma isnt it? im 35 myself and ideally want to try and get pregnant this year too (no kids yet). and this was a HUGE past of my decision making process when choosing what path i wanted to take to get into nursing. so i'll tell you wot i decided and maybe it will help??

i decided that going into a 3yr degree right now was really not wot i wanted. i didnt want to start something that would take 3-4yrs minimum..bcos even if you defer, you can only defer for a year. i knew that i wanted to try for baby this year, and if i started the degree then that would definitely mean having to defer the 2nd yr and be prepared to go back to uni the following year. and as much as i want to do nursing, im not prepared to put a hold on babies for it...bcos i can do nursing anytime, but i cant have a baby forever! : )

so i decided to apply to RMIT for the Cert IV in nursing. i got in to both full time and part time, FT was 4 days a week and PT was 2 days a week. i choose full time. i started 3 weeks ago and will be finished in november this year. so i figure i can start trying for a baby from around april /may and still finish my course. then if i get pregnant at some point mid year onwards i can take next year (2011) off, and then if i want to, in 2012 i can apply to do the 2 yr conversion course at RMIT and be a Div 1 in 2yrs. OR alternately, if i never want to go back to uni then i'll already be a Div 2 and will be more than content with that too.

it all sounds kinda complicated, but it makes sense to me! which is all that matters right! : ) but basically it means i can still do everything thats important to me. and so far RMIT are fantastic. the teachers are great and im feeling really positive about the course and being a Div 2. the scope of practice for a div 2 now is quite broad and the options for employment are impressive these days. and as ive said, if you want to do the conversion course to div 1, then the option is there. by the way, if you want to work in aged care, there is a huge amount of work in aged care for div 2's. infact now that Div 2's are medication endorsed (and you can also go and do an additional subject for IV meds if you choose to) there is a big demand for them. i work for a nursing agency and we get loads of bookings nowadays from aged care facilities who want Div 2s (endorsed) rather than Div 1's.

so anyway, thats my situation...i hope your able to come up with a plan for yourself! its alot of decision making but im sure you'll come up with a plan your happy with.

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Feb 25, 2010, 08:51 am

Hi Jules74,

Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you, this is such a big help. It sounds like you and I are at a very similar stage in our lives. I know you said that your path sounds complicated but I got what you are doing straight away. Things have to be a little round about when you want to have little ones. I know it took me a long time, not for the want of trying, to have my little girl. Now that she is here I can't wait to have another if I can. You have helped me more than you realise, just by posting your experience and choices have made me decide to follow probably the same path as you. And especially now knowing about the importance of being endorsed is a great tip. So I think doing a Cert IV part time will kick start the process and give me a range of options further down the track.

Please keep me posted on how you are going with your studies and of course on the baby front, I might be able to help when the time comes.

Thanks again, take care and enjoy your course.

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Mar 01, 2010, 11:48 am

Hi Rehly - have you considered an online Diploma of Nursing?? check out this link to Gold Coast Tafe's program www.goldcoast.tafe.qld.gov.au/search/course_finder/index.php?script_name=coursedetails&course_id=3331

The online option may give you the flexibility you are after???

Cheers Simo

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Mar 01, 2010, 11:04 pm

Hi RELHY,

Melbourne Uni offers a two-year Master of Nursing Science for people who have completed a degree - it doesn't have to be health related. This course gives you the Div 1 qualification. So there's another option for you to consider. :)

As Jules said, Div 2 nurses are now able to do much more than they previously could, and are in higher demand than ever before, particularly in aged care. I'm currently studying Cert IV and the course will be changing to a Diploma qualification in the middle of the year, so the people who apply mid year and next year will be applying for the Diploma. From what I've heard it's 1.5 years, and as Jules said, the Diploma students will be IV trained.

I can completely understand that doing the degree is not always suitable at different times of your life. I'm getting married in May next year so I'll be doing the additional Diploma units sometime after that, I won't be doing it straight after I finish the Cert IV course in November. I've decided that I will work for awhile as a Div 2, and then I'll decide if I want to study the Bachelor degree later on - but it would most likely be after I've had kids. There are plenty of mums that are doing the Cert IV course who have waited until their kids were older to venture into the nursing field. There are also others who do it while their children are young (these women are amazing, it'd be so hard!). It all depends on what is best for you.

P.S. You're never too old to go back to school (not that being in your mid thirties is old!). One of my classmates is 64, and everyone in our class knows he'll make a brilliant nurse. :)

Hope this helps a bit! :)

Holly

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Mar 10, 2010, 06:13 pm

hey holly,
yep i totally agree about the age thing you said!

my aunt had always wanted to do nursing. so she started the bach of nsg when she was 40yrs old, and was qualified by 43. she is now 55 and retiring in march as she will be looking after her first grand child while her daughter in law goes back to work. financially she never really needed to work, but for the past 12yrs she has worked in a gynae ward and loved every single minute of it- its never too late to realise your dreams!

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Mar 11, 2010, 09:17 am

I'm so glad this forum supports older people starting off in their new career.

What a relief, some may think 37 is over the hill, which I probably did when I was in my early 20s, but I think by looking at lots of the posts, there appears to be a pattern regarding age. I know for me by this age I have experienced lots and am comfortable enough to go do what I really want to do, following your heart is so important for your own health and the health of the family around you.

So to everyone, follow your instincts and you know it is right for you when opportunities just start appearing and everything falls into place.

Thanks again for all the advice. Still working through my options and will keep everyone posted.

RELHY

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Apr 30, 2010, 06:18 pm

I am a enrolled nurse (Div 2) but am currently studying to be Div 1 at Uni - (in my final year) - I started the first course mid twenties and have just turned 30. Being a mature age student is good in some regards but painful in others - being older and wiser means you have life experience and but being older means that you may struggle with writing an essay or doing your math compared to the school leavers in your year.. everything has it's pros and cons..

If you don't want to study for forever and a day - try the Cert IV which is a year, otherwise Bachelors (Div 1) is three years .. difference besides time is as a Div 1 you can move into management type positions, give medications, work in a variety of areas, and work overseas - but the gap in some regards is narrowing as Div 2's now give medications and are about to extend into Intravenous meds, and I have heard of Div 2's in some management positions, although they are limited... Pay is also different of course Div 1 more than Div 2... All I suggest is that you look into the two closely before deciding ..

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May 19, 2010, 09:37 pm

Hello everyone, I am a newbie!

I hoping to study nursing mid year or next year. I have applied at a few institutes, and it is funny as the more people you speak to and the more you read, you tend to find out just a little bit more and in my case, can make things even more confusing, lol!
One question, a div 2 nurse can choose to return to study to become a div 1 right? Through numerous phone calls to TAFES, UNI's etc, I get the impression that CertIV and Diploma of Nursing are both very similar in regards to what you can both do in the work place as you are both Division 2 nurses. Division 1 nurses earn more than Div 2 nurses, though now the roles are becoming similar due to the course that is now being delivered to Div 2 nurses.

I currently hold a Diploma, would that make a difference in gaining entry into Bachelor of Nursing? Or would it be best to study cert IV and then do the Div 2 conversion course? The nursing industry sounds fantastic and there seems alot of diversity and so many career options.

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May 26, 2010, 02:52 pm

I can only really answer one part of your question but I was a Div 2 like I said but I then returned to do my Div 1 - the offical course title is Bachelor of Nursing (Division 2 Entry) - so what that means is absolutely you can return to do your Div 1 and if you, do after completing Div 2, you can take one year off the normally three year course for Div 1 - but be warned only some Universities offer the time off so hunt around if that is what you plan on doing.

Does that sound confusing? I don't mean to be..

Oh just so you know as well - despite the expanded roles for Div 2 - it is still quite limited in areas you can work in and your potential to aspire to management - Div 1 you can work any speciality area - no limits - and can continue with masters degree to specialise (this is not available for Div 2) so that means working in intensive care or coronary care etc. Also Div 1 means you can work overseas - as Div 2 it is only England you can work in as they are the only country I know of to still have nursing assistants - oh sorry and a couple, but not all, of America's states. - these are the reasons I went back to do my Div 1 anyways. Also remember that on wards - the standard practice is to have a majority of Div1's on a shift with only 1-2 Div 2's - so therefore you will get more work as a Div 1 by far. There are plenty of differences even though it seems to you that there isn't.

I wish frankly that someone had of told me all the ins and outs before I did my Div 2 - but everyone just paints it in a rosey light and I never got the real truth.

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Jun 17, 2010, 03:05 pm

Ok, another update from me. Still learning, still seeking options, still seeking solutions, still confused. But at least I'm still seeking!

So this is where I'm at, I know I want to do nursing, I wasn't sure where and how and wasn't sure what area. One thing remains constant, I want to help people!

Where I'm at today. Have to keep my three day a week part time job to pay the bills. I look after my 3 year old on the remaining 2 days. I ultimately want a Degree in Nursing. Hopefully my previous Science Degree (completed back in 1994) will count for something, but as I'm finding out it all depends on the course provider. I don't want to get into a rut and not move on things because it is all a bit confusing, so this is the reason why I decided to post another entry, to keep seeking until something just clicks and I know that is the path for me.

I don't think I have enough info on what is out there to just say go for it, but on the other hand I might need a push! So please feel free to give me that push.

I'm heading towards being a midwife. Ok, so any ideas on how I could do this part time and who would offer these studies part time in Melbourne.

Would love to hear from anyone with suggestions, again I'm still seeking.

Thanks

RELHY

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Jun 18, 2010, 08:22 am

HI

I have been doing a bit of research myself and i hope to enroll next year (i missed out mid year) to do the diploma div2. I know that Monash do the midwifery part time and it takes 6 years. It is at Frankston (penninsula campus)

Good luck

Regards

Georgie

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