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LeaB

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Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:10 pm

I have just been accepted into the Master of Nursing Science degree at the Uni of Melb.

I was curious as to what others have thought of this course? (Current students, graduates, etc). The reason I'm asking is because I have read some (bad) reviews on hotcourses.com and am feeling uneasy about the course now.

I'm not sure whether I should just do another undergrad degree, even if it does take an extra year to complete.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

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Oct 06, 2010, 02:51 pm

Hey lea, I'm in the same boat as you and would be really interested to hear what other people have to say. I got my acceptance letter but saw those reviews on hotcourses.com and panicked! I can't really seem to find any feedback about the course and starting to think perhaps it's better to do another undergrad in Nursing instead. Better safe than sorry? Although those reviews could just be from students who had a gripe over grades?

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Oct 06, 2010, 03:04 pm

Hey Caz,

I'm really unsure what to do. I have accepted my offer but I haven't enrolled yet. I want my Nursing experience to be a good one.

I've also applied for undergrad degrees through VTAC and am hoping I get an early offer somewhere to help me make my decision. AND I also just discovered that Monash has a Masters degree as well. I've tried applying through the online portal but the course name doesn't appear to be on the list. I tried emailing to ask when applications open, or if they have already closed, but no reply as of yet. The course name is Master of Nursing Practice and it's located at the Clayton campus if you were interested.

Have you applied through VTAC as well? I know La Trobe has a graduate-entry degree but I'm kinda sick of La Trobe having been there for so long!

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Oct 06, 2010, 03:25 pm

I totally understand about wanting a great Nursing experience as I feel the same way. I mean Nursing's so practical and theoretical based you want to make sure you want your education to be a great foundation and prepare you as much as possible before you start working. Yeah, I've applied via VTAC and booked for the STAT test. I didn't realise Monash had that Masters course - Thanks! I missed that one! Yeah I saw La Trobe had a grad entry degree. Deakin's got a great undergrad program but it's 3yrs. But I hear really great things about the course and it's teaching staff! I'm really looking forward to studying Nursing and i don't want to be miserable in the program I choose!

I'm so confused!!!

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Oct 06, 2010, 11:21 pm

One can't deny that the course is tough and the grades keep falling and people keep dropping out. But I am still happy to do this course. As we are only the third group of students out, the faculty are still figuring out details about how to structure it - hopefully that'll make it less impossible for you. Personally, I think the quality of teaching is quite high. Assignments are tough - but you do learn. Reading is immense - but again, you do learn. But it's not a course for you if you want to get a nursing degree without putting a huge amount of work into it.

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Oct 07, 2010, 09:34 pm

Thanks sra for your input.

I'm not afraid of hard work. My concerns were mainly related to the quality of the course and the teaching staff.

I'm still weighing up my options anyway.

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Dec 08, 2010, 11:28 pm

Hi LeaB & Caz,

Just wondering if you guys made a decision on whether to do this course or not? I only ask as I have just been offered a place, but was equally disturbed when I read those reviews on hotcourses.com that basically tore the course apart...! Yikes. I'm moving down from Brisbane to do this, so I'm sort of already committed. Hope you guys made the right decision, whichever it may be :)

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Apr 15, 2011, 01:33 pm

Hi Everyone,

I have just applied for this course. Just wondering if anyone has completed/ studying this course. Would love to hear your thoughts/ reviews etc.

Thanks!

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Oct 10, 2011, 12:13 pm

Hey Guys!

I have also recently found out that I have been offered a place at Melbourne Uni for the Master's of Nursing Science. I have also applied at Monash Uni to keep my options open but am leaning towards Melbourne due to reputation and location.

I have also read the reviews on

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Oct 10, 2011, 12:23 pm

Sorry about the last post, not sure what happened but it was cut short.

Continuing on, I have also read the reviews on hotcourses.com and was slightly disheartened and concerned. I am due to start in Feb/March 2012 if I accept the offer and pass Human Anatomy and Physiology this year.

For those who have done the course, or at least attempted, how did you find it? What were the contact hours like (full time Monday to Friday, or part-time contact)

Did clinical placements begin straight away or later in the Semester? How many days a week are placements versus contact hours at uni? Can you elect where you want to go for placements? Or are you placed by the university?

Can you work part time during this course? or is it too much of a load?

For those that attempted but dropped out, or transferred, what was your reason? Was it due to difficulty, intense workload, university being unorganised or another reason?

How did you find lecturers?

Is there a research component involved, like a thesis as it is a Master's or is it purely coursework?

Any insight would be much appreciated before I make the final decision to accept or decline my offer.

Thanks in advance!!

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Oct 12, 2011, 05:45 pm Last edited Oct 12, 2011, 05:45 pm update #1

Hey Guys,

I'm not doing the masters o f nursing at Melbourne (i'm studying at Uni south australia external) however a friend graduated from this course last year and wasn't overly impressed with it, from what i gather their is a very big emphisis on theory as apposed to prac which can be a problem for an area that is obviously very prac based.

I looked around at differant melbourne unis as i was looking at transferring to an on campus course and spoke extensivley to other students, nurses and hospitals and in terms of Victorian unis the the students who generally got their first preferences in grad programs and those that were clinically more advanced come from RMIT and Deakin.

Cheers!

Jess

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Oct 13, 2011, 12:11 am

Hi All,

I'm in 1st year of the course now, and overall, I'm having a good experience.

The course is very heavy on the theory, the workload is intense, and the science for me has been particularly challenging. I'm not going to lie, I think the course isn't for the faint hearted, and it pretty much dominates my life, lol! But the upside is that I really do think I'm learning a lot that will hold me in good stead for years to come. I transferred to this course after doing 1 semester of a Grad Entry Bachelor of Nursing (basically they threw us into a hybrid of 1st & 2nd year subjects with no bridging course) at Qut in Brisbane, though I transferred for other reasons, not because of Qut! However, I truly believe I'm getting a better grounding in science that I would ever have at Qut, and compared to the pracs I did in Brisbane, that alone has made me feel enormously more confident on placement, as someone who has a background in Arts.

In response to your questions:

Clinical placement is done in blocks, and falls all over the place from semester to semester, have a look at this for timetables of the entire 2 years: http://www.nursing.unimelb.edu.au/current_students/timetables

See the timetables in the above link for the contact hours, and placement vs contact hours. (For tutes and labs, you're in either a, b, c, or d; and either 1, 2, 3, or 4; not all of them)

You can put in preferences for the hospitals you want to go to, and generally get your first or second preference. They work on a 'zones' basis, and you're not supposed to go in the same zone twice in a row (so that the same people don't keep getting stuck with the northern suburbs for example, while others only have to commute to the city), but I'm pretty sure I know a few who were in the city zone twice.

Which ward you go to, in my case, worked out on the day with your clinical educator where you might have a preference, but if the hospital is bigger you may be placed beforehand. They try not to put you in a ward you've already been in, for the sake of varied experience.

Like most courses, we've had some great lecturers who really knowledgeable and dedicated to teaching and to the nursing profession, and some that haven't been so interesting.

A lot of people in our year work part time. It depends on how organised a student you are! If you're like me, you'll get stressed during the busy times, but my job is really flexible, so it's not a problem. I think during prac it could be quite tiring and stressful. (I was able to put work off for 2 of the 3 weeks of prac). I think for me the hardest thing is maintaining a social life on top of everything, I tend to get sucked into the 'should be studying' guilty mind frame sometimes, but I was as poor at managing that in undergrad, so nothing new there. Officially the uni recommends you don't work.

There is a research component. You do a research project in a group of around 5 people, to which you are allocated. You also have preferences of project, but in the end you get what you are given. I think too much emphasis is put on getting your first preference, as we didn't get ours, and I'm so glad, as I'm loving the one we did get. We started the process in August, and will collect data over the summer and then write up our findings and present to an audience of hospital officials (sorry, so vague! I think they're senior personnel of different hospitals and maybe some academics too) late in semester 1 next year. (Also, they said we can apply for credit for the research component of Melb Uni nursing specialty post grad courses, not sure about other unis, but if I ever do, I'll def try!)

One downside is a summer semester, so it's back to class straight after New Years.

One upside is that in the final semester, you have no exams (just heaps of assignments), and you finish up in late October. The second years who are finishing up now were able to submit their applications for registration with the Board about 4 weeks ago.

Also, there's a 2 week elective placement at the end of the course, where you can choose where you go within what's possible. They say they've got ED, ICU, Theatre etc for us in Melb if we want it, but I heard of a couple of second years who went up to Cairns and combined it with a holiday in the winter break, so they'd be entirely finished by now. And there was someone else who went to remote Central Australia, I think in an indigenous community.

I think personally the best thing for me about this course is that because it's been tough, and because it's post grad and it's fairly small, everyone in our year became really tight knit really quickly. I've made some amazing friends, everyone's been really supportive, and in the midst of all the work, we've been having a heap of fun together. We've got a facebook page that is constantly in overdrive for assignment tips, venting frustration, and social events. I know that depends heaps on the people you get each year, but I think elements of the course mean you do bond pretty quickly.

Ok, sorry for the mega-reply!!! I hope that answers some of your questions. It's hard to keep it all to one or two paragraphs when there's detail to go through. And, you've prob seen my reply above from last year: I flipped when I saw those hot courses reviews too! But being in the course, that's def not how I feel about it. It's a tough course, but it's not awful awful awful :)

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Oct 15, 2011, 11:29 am

Hi everyoone,

The course is very hard and stressful, but I think this is true of many nursing courses. There have been some organisational challenges, and there are always going to be some students that don't get their first preferences in terms of placement locations and research projects. There are going to be great and less great lecturers. Most of them are really interesting and helpful.

For the comment about clinical ability - yes, I have also heard that students from other universities are more practically minded. There may be a grain of truth to this as many of us are from very un-practical areas of undergraduate study / careers. It's hard for people who are already educated to a high level to be put in this situation of clumsiness and looking quite stupid. Nevertheless, I think we get up to speed quickly once we are given the chance. Personally I think it will show clearly in our grad year as well as later - rather than in the short stints of placement. Many nurses that precept us get confused at our seeming clumsiness and think it means we don't understand anything. The situation is actually the reverse - lots of understanding and background knowledge, but less idea of routine practice because we simply haven't seen that much of it yet.

Those who have left the course have done so for three reasons: 1) nursing wasn't for them and they left in first semester 2) graduate study wasn't for them and they left for Bachelor-level nursing 3) many have failed subjects and have therefore switched to part time (most of them), or chosen 1) or 2).

I would definitely not attempt working during the course - but some people manage it! The lecture days tend to be long (in first year, we had one day of 8am to 4 pm full of lectures (!)). Other days you may not need to come in at all, or just for a couple of hours of pracs. If you do work, make sure the arrangement is flexible. Both placements and research will take up significant chunks of time and can't necessarily be moved around to fit your schedule. Also large assignments often fall at inconveniently busy times. If you're very organised, you can get around this by starting early (they say).

If you're doing the online anatomy course - study hard because this is what will carry you through the entire course!

So good luck!

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Feb 04, 2012, 01:00 pm

I completed the Master of Nursing Science Degree at UoM last year and am glad I did.

I am two weeks into my Grad year and feeling like every bit of hard work was worth it. There are other UoM graduates in the same hospital as me who have finished their Grad year, got a job as Grade 2 and are fantastic nurses.

Any course is tough but at UoM every gradate from the Master of Nursing Science has got a Grad Year position

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Feb 04, 2012, 02:47 pm

Hi people! I completed the MNSc at the the University of Melbourne and am loving my Grad Progam - I got into the hospital I really wanted and they don't take many graduates. The reputation of the course is high and for good reason. Their graduates are well equpped, and in good time are meaningful contributors to patient care and organisational progression - you'll notice this even on your placements you're quite different from bachelor undergrad trained in the way you think and probably the way you behave and handle the changes because of your training but also your life experience and valuable previous training. I see several of you wondering about theory vs practical etc... the reality is that in first year it's 60% theory, 40% prac, in the second year it's 60% prac and 40% theory in terms of hours contacted to Uni and to the placements. Nursing is very practical, however you cannot know what you're looking at, feeling, hearing and smelling and be efficient and correct if you do not know why and why you're doing what you're doing - then you'd be a technician and anyone can learn tasks - not everyone can understand why and apply this in clinical judgement and decision making and communicate it well. The Masters is a great platform and indeed step up into the environment and career that's characterised by caring with intelligence.

Alex did a good job of getting into the nitty gritty of allocations etc so I won't. Bear in mind it's a 2 year Masters and it goes fast. I too didn't work as recommended however most I know that did, only did one shift a week. It's by course work and has the research modules...these prepare you well for the modern nursing role - Evidence Based Practice is vital to our patients and our ability to sift through the 'evidence' for the truth is crucial. Employers seek EB nurses. I believe UoM's emphasis is well weighted. Sure people aren't fans of group work etc. but you wouldn't be doing it in 2 years if you wanted to do it alone and learning is about learning what to do as well as what not to do - it's called life and life experience - don't stress about it in advance: be committed and take it a day at a time you won't regret it.The science is tough - but all very relevant and trust me you'll be thanking the lecturer on day two of your grad year. The clinical papers seem in depth/holistic/heaps of theory and practice entwined - you get that everywhere- the draw card is that the way it's taught is well-married with the science in timing and content.

Almost there! The Uni of Melbourne MNSc course is under constant development and review, Quality Improvement is a priority and they constantly seek feed back and make changes related to the experiences of students and staff. So it it an evolving course. It is becoming less bitsy and more streamlined and holistic in it's approach year by year. The lecturers, though busy, are approachable and happy to meet you, guide you and answer questions of concern and curiosity alike - if not open-door then certainly by appointment very quickly in my experience. They also have guest lecturers who are experts in their field and happily pass on the passion.

Finally, in terms of administrative concerns, during my interviews and now in my grad year I've met many students and grads from other Unis, ACU, RMIT, Deakin - all have great aspects to their courses, administration seems to be difficult in diffirent areas across the board. Don't let it bother you. We're signed sealed and delivered (gradutated by Dec 2nd and registered by Christmas) on time.

The choice is yours! All the very best!!

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Feb 11, 2012, 05:21 pm

Hey,

So quick question to those who have completed this course..

I just completed my Bachelor of Science at Melbourne majoring (heavily) in pathology and i did 3 semester worth of anatomy, 2 of physiology and 2 of biochemistry. Will this background help me out in the science part of this course? Will it be abit easier for me and my fellow friends who have also done the same?

Thanks :)

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Mar 29, 2012, 09:06 pm

Hey Kell

Of course it will help you!

I did a BSc in Physiology, and it helped me but it didn't make it an easy walk in the park. It's one thing to have the science knowledge, and the anatomy in your memory but applying it clinically and planning interventions ..evaluating etc etc is a skill learned with practice. One of the lecturers told me that early in the course, it sorted out my expectations and changed the way I thought about my study and my practice.

I'm sure you'll find the MNSc builds a depth into your repetoire that you'll be proud of and when you're a practitioner, you'll have a solid foundation due to both qualifications and it'll boost your growth and development like you wouldn't believe.

Employers will value you too. It goes without saying, the knowledge and understanding are great but the attitude and work ethic will get you over the line.

Are you doing the course this year? or contemplating it for next year?

cheers

Sarah

p.s. not a massive forum checker but looking forward to your reply :)

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Aug 17, 2014, 05:09 pm

This is about the only review of this course that I found when I was applying last year, so thought I'd come back and update it with my experience thus far!

I'm 3 weeks into second semester, and back into the swing of things. Like the other commenters have said, this course is not for the faint hearted. It requires lots of organisation, time management and hard work!

Most people are really enjoying it, myself included. The clinical placement has been the highlight of the year (3 week in duration). The science subject has probably been the lowlight.The reason being is just that it's tough!! I've found I have to watch and re-watch youtue clips explaining the pathophysiology of certain processes. Even those with a science backgrounds find it a challenge.The problem is everything we're taught in science is really relevant to nursing practice, so you crucial that we understand it!

The course is very much self-directed, so if you have the motivation to keep on top of things you'll thrive. The tutors/lectures expect you to explore all avenues before you go to them with questions (which I guess is fair enough!). They're very much no nonsense, and straight down the line. The come across very knowledgeable, capable and committed to see nursing develop into a well regarded profession.

The drop out this year have ranged from those in the first few weeks (before census date) being totally overwhelmed by the course, those after placement realising that nursing is not for them, and those who failed a first semester subject. If you fail one of the prerequisite subjects in semester 1 it basically means the degree turns into a 3 year course instead of 2, as you have to resit the failed subject the following year. Most of the people I know who failed, failed science.

The written assignments are a step up from a bachelor degree, but the marking's fair. The practical exam is nerve wracking, and requires you to showcase a skill that you've learnt in order for you to be given permission to go on placement. The Uni organises actors or mannequins for you to practice your skill - ie. medication administration, auscultation, wound care etc.

The research subject in second sem 1st year and 1st sem 2nd year, is basically a clinical audit. You'll be based at a hospital, and working out whether X intervention has been successful.

All in all, it's a great course, you just need to be super organised, and committed to some hard work!

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Sep 01, 2014, 10:17 pm Last edited Sep 01, 2014, 10:17 pm update #1

hi, 

I've been looking into this course, and on the page where questions are asked (melb uni website) it says that GPAs are needed but they change from year to year. Does anyone who is in the course have any idea what kinds of GPAs people had?

modified: Monday 01 September 2014 10:18:19 pm - jEss1ca

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Sep 26, 2014, 02:00 pm

Hey Guys! 

I am considering doing MNS at UMLB from Feb 2015. But the website says that only CSP places are on offer (no full fee paying places for domestic student). how many students do they enrol in one sem and how competitive is it to be selected? Those who have completed or are doing program there, share some ideas please!  

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