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meg (offline) Joined: Nov 2008 Location: sydney Posts: 11	Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:11 pm Hi everyone out there interested in Cert IV Aged Care. Adept Training in Sydney conducts cert iv in aged care in classroom or by distance. The cost of the course is $3000 -Payment plan. There is some funding at times but the problem with PPP funding is that to be eligible you have to unemployed. To be able to do assessments in workplace you have to be employed or at least have a lot of unpaid work experience. Centrelink will probably help out those who are registered with them though. If you would like more details check out the website www.adepttraining.com.au or you can call on 1300366044 and ask for the Training Manager, Margaret. Leave you name and number and I will call you back as I am a busy bee and not always easy to catch sitting at my desk.

Senior RN (offline) Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Posts: 24	Dec 25, 2008, 09:16 am Meg, Are you a 'manager' of this company? I would like to hear from someone like yourself, on the topic of AINs doing tasks designed for RNs. I personally consider this so called " Cert.IV " in Aged Care to be one of the most dangerous introductions to health care. I recently worked as a casual RN in a local nursing home. ( only because it was so close to where I live, and the shifts fitted in with my other employment, to produce a workable 'double' ) The company employed several ' Cert.IVs '. One was given the ' Clinical Nurse Coordinator ' job; another was OH&S coordinator, and others were ' team leaders'. Despite my efforts to 'fix' things, I eventually had to call in NSW WorkCover, ans The Office of Aged Care Quality & Compliance. These AINs, though good willed, didn't have the education, training, or work / life experience to effectively carry out their alloted duties. Of course, it's the employers fault. However, are the employers misinterpreting the nature of the qualification? Are they simply after the cheaper alternative to RNs / ENs? I looked up NSW TAFE's Cert.IV course, and it states, ( to the effect ), that AIN Cert.IVs are only to ASSIST the RN in administering medication, not give it themselves. This means, preparing the patient / resident, by repositioning, or observing for post side effects etc. I'd be interested to hear from others defending the title of ' Cert. IV ' ..... regards,

waterviolet (offline) Joined: Jan 2009 Location: Posts: 5	Jan 21, 2009, 09:29 pm That is why? Few people study Cert IV of Aged Care. Even after completing that I am only an AIN, is that right?

Senior RN (offline) Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Posts: 24	Feb 19, 2009, 09:17 am Waterviolet, It's the regulatory authority ( NSW Nurses & Midwives Board ) that does not recognise you. AIN is not a 'regulated' health profession in the State of NSW. RNs, ENs, Physios, Psychologists, and of course, doctors, are the 'regulated' health professions. However, I think it will eventually change. My tip for the future, is that, the 'registered nurse' will become less 'hands on', and more for management or supervisory roles, and the ENs / EENs will step up. This will allow AINs to become better trained, and hold more responsibility. In the 'private' sector, it's the cost of RNs that will drive this reform. A private operator will only want to pay for an AIN, at half the RN rate. ( I was getting about $35. an hour from my last Aged Care employer - a junior AIN was on half that ) As you probably know, there are so many 'rules' to abide by in the private Aged Care sector.... but the system also allows for private employers to 'try out' a few methods of getting the job done. One of those, is to upgrade AINs to this " Cert.IV" status. However, I personally don't see how it can work in the long term. regards,

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