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Certificate IV in aged care (Care Supervisor)

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PrincessDemonik

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Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:03 pm

Hi all.

We all know aged care is changing - RNs and ENs are expensive in terms of staffing, and aged care facilities are beginning to capitalise on the idea of Cert IV AINs fulfilling a traditionally clinical role. This is despite the fact that older people are not being admitted into aged care until they reach much higher dependancy levels than in the past.

What do people think about the 'care supervisor' concept? Perhaps someone here has done the course, and is now working in this role. Any ideas would be great.

Monika

Rotator Cuff

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May 17, 2007, 11:57 am

Hi PrincessDemonik,

I am assistant in nursing in aged care only for three years though,(in brisbane) and considering doing Cert IV in aged care. I have heard around the ridges that AIN may be trained to give medications to Residents that are capable of asking for them. This may not come into action for a few more years yet.Where i work in High Care only RN do meds and dressings.Anyways back to Cert IV-there is a module in the units of this course titled "Assist with Self Medication". In the course description the only thing that may have something to do with care supervising might that cert IV may be required to supervise a limited number of other workers.I have also heard that this course has a lot to do with understanding and doing documentation relating to RCS, and all the other paperwork that has to be done. Let you know if a decide to do it.

Cheers rotator cuff

Rotator Cuff

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Jun 05, 2007, 08:39 am

RC here,

given up on doing cert IV instead put my name on waiting list to do a Diploma in Nursing Care. I figure that the cost of some of these cert 4 course is a bit exey, i will do EEN instead ...... more responsibility, more study but it will be worth the cost and challange.

RC

KingAaron

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KingAaron
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  • Location: Adelaide
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Sep 02, 2007, 09:57 pm

Hey Guys,

Down here in Adelaide, Iam a Senior PC who has held the role of Care Supervisor in previoues roles. Iam also able to administer medications to residents from a webster style system, multi dose system, and also able to give injections of S/C Insulin. I also know of a number of facilities where the Personal Care Workers or the Qld and NSW version so to speak AIN's, administer medications to residents of low level facilities ie, Hostels. As well as administering PRN medication if required.

I have worked over in NSW as a AIN, and roles are the same, just settings are generally different, ie: SA we dont have AIN only PCA, and dont work in Acute Settings, and what a PCA is in a hospitial is a PSA's. Over in NSW AIN's, work both aged and acute, but do the same roles, maybe appears different due to the environment)

THe Cert 4 course does focus a bit indepth on RCS and Documentation writing planning and implementing, due to a care supervisor's role is generally making sure the other staff are documenting correctly and if they are not then showing them how to improve. Writing RCS summaries from assessments, Nursing Care Plan writing, that sort of thing.

I guess when deciding what to do, if you want to stay in Aged Care for your career then doing cert 4 would be useful, however if you wanted to maybe do ur RN training @ uni, or more into acute settings then i would say do your EN Training.

Cheers

Aaron

Rotator Cuff

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Sep 03, 2007, 10:35 am

Hi guys,

Bugger tafe waiting list. I start my EEN in three weeks through Australian Instutite for Care Development. Have had to give up one of my afternoon shifts cause that is class day anyways thats life.

RC

Molly

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Sep 03, 2007, 05:53 pm

Hello Rotator Cuff ! Congratulation.Where is Australian Instutite for Care Development located in Brisbane? I live in Brisbane and never heard of it.

Best Wishes Molly

KingAaron

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Sep 04, 2007, 12:17 am

RC,

I think you made the right choice. But that is my opition. Best of luck with you course, and if you need help,. then please sing out

Aaron

Rotator Cuff

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Sep 04, 2007, 10:24 am

Hi Molly and KingAaron,

Australian Institue for Care Development is the education arm of Aged Care Queensland, their premises are at Jindalee, where that amazon water place used to be. There web address is aicd.qld.edu.au/ Thanks for your support KA will be singing out loud and clear if I need help. i probably be on here everyday asking questions.

RC

bernie63

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Jul 08, 2008, 11:49 pm

Hi all, i am currently doing Cert 3 in Aged care via corresspondence, i live down in sydney. I wanted to do my EN after i finish my Aged Care in cert 3, but i was also interested in finding out how to do your cert 4 and if you can do it via correspondence.

Thanks!

maximus111

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Jul 27, 2011, 10:35 pm

Cert IV in aged care (Care Supervisor), is this the standard Cert IV in Aged Care or does it differ somehow ? I ask because I already have my Cert III in Aged Care as well as a Cert III in Disability.

I've been working in the disability sector for the last 9 yrs and subsequently working in aged care facilities as an agency AIN over the past year or so. I have been deliberating as to whether I should increase my qualifications by going up another level or not bothering, whether there is any increase in pay for having that extra qualification or not.

I have no interest in doing a full on nursing course nor becoming an En, EEN or RN as I'm already into my 50's and am happy doing the work I am currently doing.

If in the event it's thought to be a viable idea, does anyone know of a Cert IV course preferably online or not and one that is not expensive, read: bloody cheap, as I don't have a lot of money left over at the end of my bill cycle.

Cheers

maximus111

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Jul 27, 2011, 10:39 pm

I forgot to mention I live in the Newcastle NSW area.

gizjiz

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Jul 30, 2011, 05:14 pm

I ask the same question to staff that did cert 3 from when it was introduced, and then they automatically did cert 4 , it was done through Tafe in those days and it was a 12 month course all up.. From what I can gather they are classed as AIN. In QLD my facility pays PCA $18.65 .. If you have cert 4 $19.65 an hour. Now to my way of thinking this is so unfair.. ,. Not many of us are willing to do the cert 4 for this reason we are not paid enough to do EEN work. Some of the module I would be interested in doing Dementia and the Divisional Therapy.. But that is for my own self develpoment..

blondey

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Aug 24, 2011, 02:26 pm

Hi all I am new to this so i hope you don't mined me joining in i am a personnel care assistant and have a cert 3 & 4in aged care and as well as AIN i work in a low care facility in Broken Hill

I did my cert 4 by correspondence with pragmatic training i have been working in aged care for 14 years i am also union delegate as we only have one level of PCA and we don't always have a EEN or RN or even a manager on duty it falls to the PCA's to make decision's i am currently in negotiation with my employer to have 2 levels can any one tell me if there are any other facility's that don't have any one in charge on site and do all PCA's do wound care ,blood pressure or BSL readings ?

thanks

cakers

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Aug 25, 2011, 12:47 pm

Blondey, I wouldn't mind being in touch with you maybe Facebook? I am very interested in issues of Aged Care and also have Union involvement. We are starting a branch up at my facility as we need a Voice. I am an RN and we are fewer and further between in the Aged Care Residential facilities. I am very passionate and dedicated that we will improve the climate in Aged Care. It is taking a while and this area of nursing will never go away with so many more high care beds required by the year.
Advanced Personal Care workers, or APCWs are doing the medication at my facility with RN's as a trouble shooter between all the floors. I call myself that, the 'trouble shooter' or float. A lot of responsibility is on all participants in the way the skill mix is now structured. And as you know, the folk coming into care are often a lot more advanced in their in their respective conditions.
Keep in touch :)

ihna

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Aug 29, 2011, 07:36 pm

Taking up a certificate IV in aged care can surely be of great help for those employed in aged care work or have prior experience in aged care work. Go for this course if you are interested in career development in the aged care industry and direct care work. If you are interested then you can visit http://www.ihna.edu.au/courses/category/Health-Services/Certificate-IV-in-Aged-Care

gizjiz

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Aug 30, 2011, 04:42 pm

Sorry this cannot be legal.. A PCW cannot make decisions if resident needs to be sent to hospital etc. Even a EEN has to go to the RN first.. I work for a short time in a facility where a RN was not on duty for the night staff .. By law a RN must be on duty to call.. I am fortunate I work in one of the better age care facilities in the south east QLD.. Where a RN is on the floor during the night..

blondey

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Sep 22, 2011, 06:10 pm

Hi gizjiz I work in a low care facility in NSW and there are no EN on duty from 5pm till 9.30am and they do not work on public holidays PCA's so the PCA's are the only one's left and yes it is legal I have looked in to it we are run by the council we are told that if we think they need to go to hospital or we are not sure send them to hospital we have also had to do all the wound care but since the last award when I stated that if PCAs where going to doing the EN job we need to be payed as EN they have stop us doing some of them we now only do simple dressings but we still do obs.

blondey

gizjiz

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Sep 23, 2011, 11:23 pm

I do not disbelieve you blondey. Just not aware in NSW that a government council run facility existed.... One would think if this is the case a stricter governing body be in place. My facility consists of high care. secure dementia unit and low care which has ageing in place it is a sixty bed facility.. Company policy is that a EEN or RN be on site during the night. If only an EEN an RN be on call..

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