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lucyalmond

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Nov 30, 2010, 09:10 pm

I am continuing my RN training and now after reading your comments about this occupation i am getting worried regarding my career. What will i do now in the middle of my study? Neither i can quiet the training nor i can change to any other stream. Help me GOD...

coliek

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Dec 01, 2010, 03:32 pm

I think it's pointless whinging about it! It won't change anything. Try doing something proactive to increase your chances of finding a position at the end.
Try doing extra curricular things in the health field to boost your resume. Volunteer in health related fields, be a blood donor, get involved in the nursing department of your uni, join professional organisations as a student. DO something.
Being a dedicated profesional nurse doesn't necessarily start after you graduate and start a grad position.

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Feb 04, 2011, 03:51 pm

What has been posted here is pretty true but has anyone considered moving or applying to regional/rural placements. I know a lot of these hospitals are crying out for graduates..the problem with having excess graduates without placements is mainly because they all apply to metropolitan hospitals and when they ddid not get in..they become a statistic.

Well I seem to be talk out of place but I am ONE of those who did not get into a graduate nurse program. But with persistent knocking at all doors I eventually found a placement in regional australia, less than 20 days before the program started. I know many would not want to move but I certainly encourage everyone to consider regional hospitals. Good luck everyone...sorry to hear of your decision NoNursingShortage. Hope things will turn out well for you.

RichardAshcroft

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Apr 07, 2011, 12:32 pm

Like any career, not everyone is going to walk into a dream job straight out of uni.

Of course, there have bene factors outside the grads control, like the GFC, which have impacted on the ability of hospitals to put on grad nurses.

Grad nurses cost more money to train, because they have to be supervised by experienced nurses. A similar situation applies to grad doctors trying to get an internship. Currently, there are more trainee doctors then internships available.

However, the nursing profession is still a good career choice with regards to career stability. Sure, if you miss out on an GNP then you may have to think outside the square to get into the game, but those determined enough will make it - no doubt there.

It is absurd for some people to reconsider doing their study or degrees based on the current climate. Look ahead 5 years from now.

The unions and governments are going to have to rectify the problem, otherwise the shortage will be increased in years to come as nurses retire from the workforce.

However, students may have to make sacrifices. You are going to have to be prepared to move anywhere to get a job. Having a partner or children to look after is going to complicate matters.

Overall, this situation is probably only going to get better as the lingering effects of the GFC fade, and as the government realises what a massive problem this is.

groonurse

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Apr 07, 2011, 12:34 pm

Shortage is very valid. I work at an awesome private surgery facility just north of Sydney. We are desperately short scrub/scout nurses and are doing huge amounts of overtime (voluntarily) but where are all the scrubs and scouts. Good place to work, good bosses... just need some workers. They are trying to educate and run a program for people wanting to scrub, but we need experienced people now.
If you are interested in a good work environment and can give me some relief, I would sure like to hear from you.

RichardAshcroft

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Apr 07, 2011, 08:24 pm

Not to be rude or anything, but the original issue was the idea of nursing graduates not getting jobs. Those experienced nurses have many other jobs available to them.

The issue here what nursing graduates can do if they don't get a GNP.

groonurse

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Apr 08, 2011, 08:23 am

C'mon... I read this stuff and I think... why am I working all the overtime when there are people needed in NSW and programs for them if they only do the work. I left public hospitals because of the political bureaucracy. I found a great private hospital to work in, in Newcastle, and we are constantly understaffed. There is always a shortage of nurses unless nurses take their careers into their own hands. There is a desperate need for Periop Nurses and most private hospitals are willing to give you a paid education to work in their environment. Give the public the heave ho and come work with me... great bosses, no night shifts... what else would you want?

groonurse

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Apr 08, 2011, 12:17 pm

I'm not meaning to be rude either... it is easy for a new grad to find what they want, speak to the unit manager and sell themselves as a good investment. GFC be damned. Most good unit managers would know quality from crud and filter quickly.
Private hospitals have the means and connections to grow their own with new nurses, somewhat or even better, than public hospitals. Had I known this when I came out of nursing, I would have quickly steered my career in this direction.
Trying to follow the the Uni wants you to do, then get sucked into the public hospital system that has try outs, quotas, caps on how much you can work etc. is the wrong way to go. This is old school nursing theory running the chaos that new grads suffer.
You have to be able to follow your own path, create your own chances to gain employment and go from there.
I work in a private facility that needs nurses desperately, but despite them advertising, new grads think that they can't apply. This is where the system is totally broken. I can mentor/preceptor any new grad into our own program and have them scrub a list with success in a matter of months. You can't even get your foot in the door of theatres of public hospital without your certificate. My employer will then pay for your distance education in Periop Cert. so that you have the papers to show when you leave if you ever leave. Most privates are so good that you don't leave.
There are more options out there than the stuffy, archaic thinking ways of Public Hospitals run by Matrons that should have been put out to pasture eons ago.... My personal opinion and experience. New grads need to think out side the box of bureaucratic handling of their careers.

cortneyrmason

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Apr 12, 2011, 02:07 pm

Nursing are in demand so all students chooses nurse as their profession therefor your cant say that there is nursing shortage.

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Apr 22, 2011, 11:09 am

I know this thread has been totally hijacked but i need to put in my two cents worth!

to groonurse: i think its fantastic that you have found a place that you feel so passionate about and have highlighted an area of practice that is available to new graduates. However, i have to disagree with your view of the public hospital system. I have worked in many public hospitals in a wide variety of specialties and not once believed they were run by matrons with old attitudes. In fact, its always been the opposite. I think it is unfair that you have painted the public hospital system in this way when it is not the truth. I acknowledge that some places may be this way, I personally have never experienced this, but im sure some people have. This does not mean that every public hospital is like this. This also does not mean that private hospitals isnt without its own nasty side aswell. I too am passionate about where I work and the job I do and I encourage graduates to follow their hearts aswell- and if that means towards the public sector, then that is their choice, and I wish them every success. Public systems also offer a very generous education allowance aswell- I am currently in my second year of a masters degree and have yet to pay a single cent thanks to my employers. There are oppurtunuties everywhere, in both public & private and I suggest to new graduates to do their own research and look at all the possibilities available to them, and not take other peoples opinions too seriously.

shivali pathania

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Jul 28, 2011, 12:04 am

hi ....i have done 3 year GNM diploma in india and i come australia with my husband and we got P.R in here. in here i also done certificate 3 in aged care and home and community care.............I gave my all nursing certificate for assessment in AHPRA.I lodged has a enrolled nurse but after some time i got e.mail in their side they wrote on that e.mail u have done three year nsg. programme and according to here i have clarify for as a R.N in here.so somebody tell me how is it possible because i have diploma not degree............................

Nurse.Bennie

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Aug 20, 2011, 03:57 pm Last edited Aug 20, 2011, 03:57 pm update #4

NoNursingShortage,

I know that you read an article saying that there was not a nursing shortage anymore, but I know that it is wrong. I just recently graduated from nursing school and I did not have any issues finding <a href="http://www.glassdoor.com/Job/nurse-jobs-SRCH_KO0,5.htm">nurse jobs</a>, so that just helps to prove that there is a nurse shortage. I know a few people from my class had some issues, but it was because they did not do any volunteer work or strengthen their skills any while they were studying for the NCLEX. Make sure that after you become an RN, that you show them that you are the best nurse for the position and you are sure to get the job. Best of luck and don't listen to what the article has to say.

Ben, RN

modified: Saturday 20 August 2011 4:08:34 pm - Nurse.Bennie

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Aug 23, 2011, 05:24 am

Dear All,

It seems to me that there is (still) a nursing shortage in Australia - even world wide (western). However this is a shortage of skilled nurses meaning those with broad and also specific skills and specialisations. Simply look at the government's skilled migration list for those specialist areas - the new list from July 2011 still lists all the usual specialties within the nursing profession.

Yes, new grad positions are scant and the competition is high. Nurse Bennie is right. You have to rise to the challenge and be prepared and upskill by networking and voluntering where possible - to show that you are the best possible product to invest in - much like most uni graduates need to do in any field to get that foot in the door.

Hey - NoNursingShortage If you really really wanted to do nursing you would go for it even if there was a huge challenge in employment after graduating. You have the advantage (a big one) of having an undergraduate degree, irrespective of the area of study, so you will already have developed a degree of critical thought and be 'plenty' rescourceful. Use this possitive skill to top your class, use your current work experience and obvious acumen in dealing with the general public as another advantage - don't dwell on the obvious administrative frustrations that the AHPRA exhibit or the fanciful statistics that ALL universities present you with. because, you know what,.. if you dont follow your dream you will still be in that boring but perfectly secure humdrum job you are in now,..still a-wondering, what could have been! I know because I'm in the same boat!

Mr RichardAshcroft. Please tell me WHAT postgraduate studies one can do in nursing specialties immediately after graduation!! I believe most require at least 6 months of general nursing experience, current employment and often current employment in the area you wish to study that specialism in as a pre-req for entry. So I don't think upskilling with postgrad studies is available to nursing grads without one little scrap of experience. Please tell me that I'm wrong.

Now, I need a cuppa tea.

T- rex

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