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Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:11 pm

Hi everyone,

I am just really keen to get any thoughts on why there are so many bitchy nurses and bitchiness in the workplace?
One theory I have come up with is related to the fact that essentially patients are demanding and it is natural for humans on a subconscious level to not like being 'used'.
I dont mean to offend, but I am really intrigued about this. Also, I am hoping that if I understand this better, I will be less likely to become a bitchy nurse myself.

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Nov 20, 2010, 09:03 pm

RA,, I hope that Nurses are not bitchy! I'm hoping to be one eventually, I was hoping that because we would be professionals bitchiness wouldn't exist ! Here's hoping :)

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Nov 21, 2010, 01:33 pm

Hi,

I'm a nurse in aged care, and really most of the staff I work with are not bitchy. There are a few that I try not to get into conversations with as they are always bitching, so I steer clear of them if possible, as I'm just not interested. In this way, it doesn't really affect me.

I think women in general can be quite bitchy (a lot of women but not all !), and as nursing is mainly made up of women maybe this is the reason. I don't mean that to sound harsh : )

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Nov 24, 2010, 08:42 pm

Unforntunately there seems to be a culture of bitchiness in nursing. Having said that, I have worked in some lovely environments without the bitchy culture. If you are a new grad, decide not to continue this culture, the changes start with you. If you find yourself in a bitchy environment, get out when you can, It is so not worth it. There are some lovely nurses/teams out there that you could be working with.

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Nov 28, 2010, 09:25 am

the only bitchy nurses i have ever encountered all seem to have the same thing in common....they dont keep up to date with their skills or professional development and seem to be horrible to the nurses do, especially the young ones or newly graduated who have this drilled into them at university! I dont know if its because they feel threatened or if its jealously or whatever, but thats just an observation ive made in my circumstance. Also I think different areas of nursing attract certain personalities more then others and these different personalities conflict with each other and its usually everyone else who gets caught up inbetween it! Whenever I encounter a total bitch of a nurse I use the same method....smile and set a good example by being a happy approachable person and usually they will either leave you alone or change their own attitudes!

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Dec 02, 2010, 12:00 am

Some really interesting points so far (thanks guys). Yeah, I agree that a good staff mix of females and males definitely helps. True also about keeping up with professional development as those that dont probably miss out on promotions and thus might be more inclined to become disgruntled. I'm curious to know more about the different areas of nursing that attract certain personalities..does anyone have an opinion on what areas of nursing are more (or less) bitchy than others?
Another thing I have noticed is that doctors and nurses dont seem to like each other much..it's as if there is an unwritten code that doctors and nurses are not supposed to talk to each other!

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Dec 08, 2010, 09:26 pm

I'm can't take it any longer, I have to wade into this debate and set the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons.

Nursing is full of bitches because it is full of women who play second fiddle to medicine. If you have a look at the world of nursing and compare it to the world of medicine, you can see the difference straight away. Medicine, which has traditionally been a males domain, is very fraternal in nature. If a doctor makes a mistake at work his colleagues will circle the wagons around him and protect him as much as possible. Only when a doctor commits an offense of Patel like proportions will the medical board start deregistering and prosecuting. In general, doctors look after each other and they know what they are: students of objective science.

Compare that to the world of nursing where you are just one medication error from the Spanish Inquisition, even if you are just an EN working in aged care for Woolworths wages, even if it was the doctors fault. You have a national licensing body which takes more nurses to court than anyone else; you have nurse academics who write text books which seem to be aimed more at the hospitality industry with their diatribe about 'serving the patient'(or 'client' in newspeak) as if we are learning how to pour $400 dollar bottles of Moet for stroppy millionaires. In nursing, from the bottom up, it is every nurse for himself, you are on your own, and nursing as a profession doesn't really know what it is, as is evidenced by all those crazy nursing theories.

One theory explaining the horizontal violence within nursing is the inherent violence of the job what with all the blood, pain and death, especially in the critical care areas. I thought that theory had merit until I considered the armed forces who are both subject and witness to violence. Whilst there is a lot of discipline in the armed services, comradery reigns supreme(after your basic training of course!) and in general each unit is tight knit and cohesive.

As I mentioned earlier, nurses play second fiddle to medicine. It doesn't matter how many years experience you have or how many masters degrees you have, a 25 year old with the letters MBBS after his name will outrank you every time. The same goes for the allied health professions; nursing is subservient to physiotherapy, occupational therapy, pathology, audiology, sonography, dietitions, and the list goes on. I think this frustrates a lot of nurses and as such the only people they can boss around are their peers.,

Any way, that's my two cents.

911insidejob

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Dec 11, 2010, 04:09 pm Last edited Dec 11, 2010, 04:09 pm update #1

911inside job, well said. unfortunately i agree with your comments. of course, men certainly arent above being backstabbers- but for some reason women seem to attack each other much quicker and more often than men do.

as a woman myself im sad to say that indeed women are sometimes their own worst enemy. ive worked in female dominated industries most of my adult life, healthcare, airlines etc, and unfortunately it really only takes one bad apple to slowly but surely spoil the whole barrell. ive been in a job for 4 years that is mostly women (except in upper management) who pretty much got along fine....but it only took one immature, nasty ladder climber to change things. her bitchyness, immaturity, and gossiping ways started bringing down the whole group. people started not trusting each other, she would cast doubt in peoples mind about what others were saying or doing. and stupidly, but somewhat naturally.. people became suspicious of each other and soon everyone was talking behind each others backs, or 'feathering their own nests' and trying to protect themselves by showing absolutely no loyalty to those that they would otherwise previously have considered to be a friend. its was kind of horrifying. i'd never seen anything like it. it was insidious and shocking.

and nursing is just another area where that kind of behaviour is perpetuated. my mother has been a nurse for over 35 yrs, and she has seen it all many times over.....
she has braved the bitchiness, and the gossiping, the lack of loyalty...dealt with power trippers, worked with nurses who are happy to state that they only became RN's because it paid more money than what they were earning before.

but regardless of all of that, shes done it with dignity and integrity. she still loves her job, she has made lifelong wonderful friends in nursing, and she actually cares.
its her attitude that gives me faith and hope. you just have to believe in what you are doing, be strong enough in your own convictions to stand up for what you think is right or wrong, and make sure that you dont ever become one of those bitchy nurses... and if you do, then recognise that its time to find a new career.

modified: Saturday 11 December 2010 4:10:41 pm - jules74

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Jan 23, 2011, 08:35 am

Jules79

Hits it right on the head,

It is so true in alot of female based / dominated industries that it occurs,

why I am unsure but your right about seeing how 1 person can come in and start breaking the walls or a well set up team and it happens more often than you think, The funny thing is it is usually the person who is starting the issues is the one it heavly impacts once it comes around as people/teams start actually working it out that we never had this problem till "JILL" came along so yes it does happen, however i feel it dose work it's way out in the end, and people like that well i never did mind about the little things.

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